CherryCola
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« on: February 29, 2008, 03:21:08 PM » |
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I'm not in Korea....not yet anyway! I'm in Canada and have a new roommate who is from Korea. She's been with me for a month now,but in Canada about 3 months I guess. She is 20 and very nice and sweet and quiet and clean and a good roommate in general. I do need some advice though. She is 20,but seems so much younger and at times seems like a child and is a lot of "work" for me. I showed her around the apartment and the neighbourhood and gave her a few "tips",like showing her how to use the micro wave,washer,tv etc... I've had to remind her a few times NOT to put balnkets and clothes to close to the heater....b/c it could start a fire and not to out certain things in the micro wave. She just put some tin foil in it though in aplatsic container for 5 minutes and then walked away!!! Luckily I was home and noticed before afire started! I'm not sure my micro wave is working as well as it was a few days ago though She has left a pot of pasta on the stove to boil (on low) and then went to shower.I was home that time too and kept an eye on it for her. She also doesn't ask me if I need tha bathroom before she goes to shower.Maybe she just dodesn't think to? I have made sure to ask her if she needs it before I go and take my 45 minute bath though (I do a spa night,that's why I'm in there so long). I'm so afraid that she will start a fire or something when I'm not here and she won't know what to do! How can I sit down with her and remind her of some basic safety things? I've told her she can come to me and ask me anything and to think of me as her "un-nee" if she wants to (I'm 32). I don't want her to think I think she's dumb or anything.
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CherryCola
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2008, 12:59:51 PM » |
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53 veiws and no one has anything to say to me? Nothing at all? I understand that replies take time and not everyone will have an answer but I still can't belive that no one has anything advice to offer me.
I am very disapointed with this forum.I haven't found anything that I need from it at all.Is this b/c the message board isn't very busy?
The main part of the info page is very good though.Maybe I should just stay there and look for another forum.Anyone know of one?
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ExpatHelp
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2008, 04:05:59 PM » |
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I suspect that the many people who've read your post just don't know what to tell you. The person you've described could be an immature and or incosiderate person of any nationality. The only suggestion I would have would be to treat her as you would a Canadian roommate who behaved in the same manner.
Glad you find the rest of the site helpful. I'm sure that were you to ask information questions (as opposed to one about a specific individual) you might find the Forum equally helpful.
Good luck.
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Artidance
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2008, 05:25:49 PM » |
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Hi
I lived in Korea for six months and there is a difference in culture, and it is also a fact that Korean girls are less on their own as people over here. What could be helpfull, at least to get an idea on how Korean people think, is the book Korea unmasked. It looks like a comic but it explains the background of the Korean people. Hope it helped a little bit Friendly greetings Anita
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inawe77
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2008, 05:51:29 PM » |
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Hiya,
Okay, let us attempt the rugged path of generalisation:
I have lived in Korea for 6 years now and am married to a Korean and speak fluent Korean.
My experiences are much the same as the ones you describe. A general lack of safety awareness/logically applied school knowledge, 'childishness', inconsideration... I dread the thought of handing over my child to my in-laws for baby-sitting: they can't assess risks at all!
Koreans study for so long every day they never have time to do any chores, so they know virtually nothing about microwaves, or other general housekeeping knowledge and safety issues. Childishness perceived by 'us' is also due to this lack of life experience and the complete molly-coddling by Korean mothers and the almost complete 'disavowing' of personal responsibility.-All KOrean females between 18-32 I know(about 50) are terrified of even being at home alone for 30 minutes. On the other hand in Korean culture you are never expected to grow out of being you parents child- actually behaving 'grown-up' in front of your parents is often seen as being disrespectful and cheeky. -I have given up on finding a 'grown-up', by my definition, in Korea.(incl. my Korean parents-in-law^^)
The inconsidaration is another matter though. She really doesn't think it's a problem using the shower without asking, I suppose. It would be normal to bang on the door and shout "I need to go, come out!" and she'd be out in a minute. I feel that Koreans are not so conflict shy as we are; and are very receptive to criticism actually (as long as it comes from a person older than themselves- you're 12 years older so, no problem).
All in all I think you're doing her a favour by getting cross with her about the dangers of house keeping-- otherwise her mother-in-law would be getting cross with her when she gets married. -That's probably why getting married is so stressful for Koreans, they really seem not ready to lead a household or even their own lives, yet.
Best, Inawe
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CherryCola
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2008, 09:13:43 PM » |
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Thanks for the book sugestion! I'll have a look for it soon!!
If she was another Canadian like me,then I'd have no problem telling her to get her act together or get out.I really think the problems are in part b/c our cultures are diferent.
I don't think it's her being lazy.I really think it's b/c she just doesn't know how to clean or how to do certain things.I also think that she lacks common sence/common courtesy when it comes to certain things.(she threw up on the toilete and didn't clean it up,then left to spend the night at a friends)
I know I need a little more info about Korean culture and the way women are there and how to approach her on certain things and not offend her or her culture.That's why I am hear asking on this board.I'm asking people who know more about the culture then I do and maybe have seent he same thing.
I'd had about enough today when I realized that she did not sweep the floor as I'd asked her to,though she told me she had.The 2nd chore I asked her to do this month.
So we sat down and had a cup of tea and a long chat.
I explained that I was frustrated and didn't understand some things in her culture and I wanted her help with that.I all ready understand that most Korean parents do all the household chores and cooking for them.
I explained that in Canada that doesn't work and by not doing the chores properly it will only frustrate me (I told her to look that word up) and get me angry if I had to do all of the cleaning in the house.After asking her if she wanted to learn the right way to clean I said I'd teach her to clean the bathroom tomorow.
After the micro wave thing happend I explained about the dangers of tim/metal and fires and asked if she needed me to post a reminder.So I did.
It was recomended to me to type up spme basic kitchen saftey and cleaning instructions as well and hang them up.I don't really want to though.I'll feel like the B*tch from Canada if I did.
Do I really need to get cross with her and show anger when she does something dangerous or plain stupid? I all ready feel bad for telling her I wasn't happy with way she swept and cleaned the bathroom.I had to though of course,cuz it wasn't at all clean by any standards.
How "tough" do I have to be with her so that she really gets what needs to happen here? I don't want to scare her away. I want her experience in my home to be a nice one.
I am feeling a little bad telling her that some of what she does to be "cute" is not so cute and that some people would laugh at her and actually call her stupid if they saw her that way.(I'm not talking about giggling here)
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JamesTurnbull
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2008, 05:57:48 AM » |
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Dear Cherry Cola,
I would pay most attention to ExpatHelp's advice. Consideration should be given to cultural differences certainly, but your roommate sounds uniquely naive and inexperienced, even for Koreans. Inawe77 is correct in that most Koreans have their mother do all the housework for them until a late age, but very very few young Koreans don't know that you can't stick metal in a microwave for instance.
And I hate to be rude, but inawe77...what on Earth are you talking about? I've never heard so many useless, blantantly untrue one liners about Koreans. For instance:
1. "All Korean females between 18-32" that you know being "terrified of even being at home alone for 30 minutes" for instance. Are you for real?
2. "Koreans are not as conflict shy as we are"...are you even in Korea? Haven't you ever heard of Confucanism and saving face?
3. And finally, you also say that you have given up on finding a "grown-up", by your definition, in Korea. I've met plently of "grown up" Koreans who will stand up to their parents myself, but even if you haven't, do you realise that by saying you've never met an adult in Korea, that that means you consider all 48 million Koreans are immature and childish? Sure, many are, especially 20-somethings - I don't have rose-tinted glasses about Koreans - but just as many aren't.
Come on, there's generalising, and then there's useless one-liners like those. Would you listen to advice about Americans say, from someone who said that all 300 million of them are lazy and fat?
Also, sorry to Artidance, but I would recommend using different books to "Korea Unmasked" to learn about Koreans. I can recommend some if people wish. At first glance, that book looks like a fun and easy way to learn about Koreans, but the cartoonist knew next to nothing about history or sociology, and last year was sued by Jewish groups in the US for the blantant anti-semitism in some of his similar cartoon books about Western countries, and was ultimately forced to take them off the market. I also have the book and have read it, and it does present a very warped version of Koreans and Korean history I'm afraid.
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CherryCola
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2008, 11:48:50 AM » |
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Thank you James!
I was a little shocked by the tin foil thing,since I had told her when she moved in not to put that in the micro wave along with any other metal.Other things to I've told her not to do and 2 minutes later I come back in the room and she has out something with food on it into the recycle bins,saying she forgot what I'd just said.
I feel that she is to young to be away from her parents and they should have prepared her a little bit more before she came.I know they don't really do that in Korea though.So it's my "job" and I'm not up for it.I don't have the patience some days.
I talked with my former boss the other day who spent 2 years in Korea. She advised me to sit down and make things very clear with my roomate. Another friend told me she may think of me as her mother while she is here with me and expect me to do things for her,but she has told me she sees me as her sister.
I sometimes feel very bad though,like I'm the "boss" of her when I tell her what to do for chores or how to do things and get on her case about things.I feel I need to though or she won't do them.
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jess
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 07:30:12 AM » |
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I have read your questions and I have read the answers. I have lived in korea for 3 years now and I can say that they seem to think very differently from westerners, very rarely admit when they are wrong and will almost never say they don't understand. I still don't know how to speak to my husbands secretary as she agrees with everything and most of the times nothing I have asked is done. I am guessing you have to put up with this or move her out. Be thankful she is not spitting like the men.
Good luck.
PS They are not stupid either so don't let her take you for a ride.
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CherryCola
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2008, 03:33:40 PM » |
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Yes,Jess she is that way too.When I ask if she did something she says "yes" even though I know she didn't.So I think well maybe she doesn't know what I mean or think she is lieing,but why would she lie to me?
Yesterday I took her into the bathroom with me and taught her to clean the bathroom and she cleaned 1/2 of it on her own.I taught her about soapscum and "elbow grease"! I think she got it! She didn't seem to enjoy it at all,but hey I don't like cleaning the bathroom each week either so she has to do it at least 2x a month also! LOL She really had a funny look on her face! It kinda looked like I was punishing her when she had to get down on her hands and knees to srcub.
Then I showed her how to make some pasta sauce,you know the kind that is a powder that you mix with milk and butter? She wanted to make it in a bowl and not heat it. I explained why it wouldn't taste good if she did it that way and I think she was happy with the way it turned out.
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JamesTurnbull
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2008, 10:32:59 PM » |
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If anyone's still interested, here's a post with many links about the anti-semitism of the author of "Korea Unmasked" that I mentioned: http://koreabeat.com/?p=845
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Jun
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2008, 10:55:10 PM » |
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hiyo. I read your story just stop by here, and i think i can give you some adivice. 'cause i've lived in korea for 26 years, that means, you know i'm korean, male. i known this site from the article in domestic newspaper just few minute ago.
the girl who is living in your place is 20 years. but she's knid of childish. emmm.. i think you are so patient and kind, and i even feel some ashame she is korean. but there's something u must know that. even she is 20, meybe univ student now, she is not quite mature woman in my place. most of them depends upon their parent till high school aged 18 or 19. that means she has experienced only 1 year in the society. maybe she never cleaned bath by herself, she never cooked by herslef except making ramen. but regarding everything these stuff, she's so childish. can u ask her? maybe she is the only child or have elder sister, or elder brother which makes lack of responsibilty. the problems between u and baby girl are brought from she's lack of experience. that means she is not idiot, bozo, stupid. maybe just go there for leaning english, not for cleaning the room or other things. she only thinks what she wants. it looks kind of selfish, but she doesn't know. so.. i think, but u already did, teach her. she's so childsh, easy to depend on other people, pretend someone help her like in korea. if her behavor doesn't change at all, u need get her out of ur place. she needs to know that of someone live alone, by herself, there's something have to do whatsoever she like it or not.
and say always 'yes' even she doesn't urdenstand. that is korean culture. it's truly diffenrent from western. 'cause i did that also when i travled in foreign country. we've learned this one from a baby. the 'yes girl', maybe she doesnt understand what you are saying exactly. u don't have to have a angry about this. that is our kind of nature. it could be a good experience to make an asian friend, or bad one. i hope u two have a pleasant roomates days. if ur annoying keep going, i've told u, just let her out. she needs to taste bitter of society(sort of korean idiom). kuh kuh ^^;
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inawe77
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2008, 08:15:38 PM » |
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Well, this one is to James Turnbull: I had mentioned in the first line of my comment that I was attempting to comment without over-generalising.
So I would appreciate if you just took my comment for what it is: a personal opinion.
I would also like to remind that living in Korea as a foreign woman is very different from that of a foreign man. You can forget most tenets of feminism; in Korea what is applauded in a man is still mostly despised in a woman. Also an interesting observation I am making for myself is that being able to speak Korean (fluently) is not that good a thing for a foreign woman living in Korea,- but I haven't fully made up my mind about that one- so refrain from slamming me for that, just yet- okay^^
YOU WROTE: 1. "All Korean females between 18-32" that you know being "terrified of even being at home alone for 30 minutes" for instance. Are you for real?
Yes I am for real: When I was teaching at a women's university I did research for my anthropology degree with questionnaires to female students aged 18-32, of these I know about 20 quite well. These, plus all my female Korean friends and business acquaintances I know quite well through working and living in Korea for 5 years, were the basis of my opinion. Which was strengthened through the 200 returned questionnaires 150 replied they were 'very scared' to 'terrified' of being alone at home.
YOU WROTE: 2. "Koreans are not as conflict shy as we are"...are you even in Korea? Haven't you ever heard of Confucanism and saving face?
Yeah, I am in Korea and speak fluent Korean; and I think the 'Confucian face' issue is debatable. There is a lot of conflict between the people I know and their friends,bosses, parents-in-law etc. it's just a bit more subtle. AND there is very much open aggression by people of higher rank/social status/age towards those of lower status/rank/younger staff etc. I can give you many examples of older men 'saving face' by lashing out verbally and physically. I have personally witnessed secretaries being kicked in my company for not being at their desk. The longer I live in Korea the less I trust the 'Confucianist harmony theory'; isn't it that the thing most lacking in a society is emphasised by making it an official movement? To me it seems more like Dog-eat-Dog, he who has more power/status has more rights to mistreat those around them with little or no fear of reprisal.
YOU WROTE: 3. And finally, you also say that you have given up on finding a "grown-up", by your definition, in Korea. I've met plently of "grown up" Koreans who will stand up to their parents myself, but even if you haven't, do you realise that by saying you've never met an adult in Korea, that that means you consider all 48 million Koreans are immature and childish? Sure, many are, especially 20-somethings - I don't have rose-tinted glasses about Koreans - but just as many aren't. Come on, there's generalising, and then there's useless one-liners like those. Would you listen to advice about Americans say, from someone who said that all 300 million of them are lazy and fat?
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inawe77
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 08:29:14 PM » |
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OOps gone over the limit:
When did I say ALL Koreans?
Sorry, if that is the way it was understood. My use of the word 'grown-up' was bad.
It is just very hard to see how people you thought you know well will turn round and say silly things: like for example 'left-handed people are dumb' and will not accept even gentle persuading of the contrary.
That is part of what I meant by 'not grown-up'.
Anyway, I will be visiting James' website which I like very much, by the way - looking forward to heated debates!
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